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	*That the endowment was simply copied from Freemasonry, despite the fact that Joseph discusses some detail about it prior to his becoming a Mason.		*That the endowment was simply copied from Freemasonry, despite the fact that Joseph discusses some detail about it prior to his becoming a Mason.

	'''NOTE: Members of FAIR take their temple covenants seriously. We therefore do not discuss the particular details of the temple ceremonies. Much of the content of the MormonThink temple page discussed very specific details about the ceremony. FAIR will not discuss or respond to issues related to those details~~. We only respond to temple-related issues which we are allowed to discuss~~.'''		'''NOTE: Members of FAIR take their temple covenants seriously. We therefore do not discuss the particular details of the temple ceremonies. Much of the content of the MormonThink temple page discussed very specific details about the ceremony. FAIR will not discuss or respond to issues related to those details.'''

	It appears that MormonThink's inclusion of those details was causing members to be discouraged from examining their website because of the temple content. In fact, the temple page on the MormonThink website was removed on May 20, 2012 and replaced with the following notice:		It appears that MormonThink's inclusion of those details was causing members to be discouraged from examining their website because of the temple content. In fact, the temple page on the MormonThink website was removed on May 20, 2012 and replaced with the following notice:

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	*That the endowment was simply copied from Freemasonry, despite the fact that Joseph discusses some detail about it prior to his becoming a Mason.		*That the endowment was simply copied from Freemasonry, despite the fact that Joseph discusses some detail about it prior to his becoming a Mason.

	NOTE: Members of FAIR take their temple covenants seriously. We therefore do not discuss the particular details of the temple ceremonies. Much of the content of the MormonThink temple page discussed very specific details about the ceremony. FAIR will not discuss or respond to issues related to those details. It appears that MormonThink's inclusion of those details was causing members to be discouraged from examining their website because of the temple content. In fact, the temple page on the MormonThink website was removed on May 20, 2012 and replaced with the following notice:		'''NOTE: Members of FAIR take their temple covenants seriously. We therefore do not discuss the particular details of the temple ceremonies. Much of the content of the MormonThink temple page discussed very specific details about the ceremony. FAIR will not discuss or respond to issues related to those details. We only respond to temple-related issues which we are allowed to discuss.'''

			It appears that MormonThink's inclusion of those details was causing members to be discouraged from examining their website because of the temple content. In fact, the temple page on the MormonThink website was removed on May 20, 2012 and replaced with the following notice:
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	MormonThink formerly had a discussion on issues with the origins of the temple ceremony and Masonry. However, some members informed us that '''there are many instances where a truthseeker's spouse would not even consider looking at any of the historical issues discussed anywhere on MormonThink because it discussed the temple''', even though we did not publish a transcript of the ceremonies like many other sites currently do. (emphasis added)		MormonThink formerly had a discussion on issues with the origins of the temple ceremony and Masonry. However, some members informed us that '''there are many instances where a truthseeker's spouse would not even consider looking at any of the historical issues discussed anywhere on MormonThink because it discussed the temple''', even though we did not publish a transcript of the ceremonies like many other sites currently do. (emphasis added)

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	NOTE: Members of FAIR take their temple covenants seriously. We therefore do not discuss the particular details of the temple ceremonies. Much of the content of the MormonThink temple page discussed very specific details about the ceremony. FAIR will not discuss or respond to issues related to those details. It appears that MormonThink's inclusion of those details was causing members to be discouraged from examining their website because of the temple content. In fact, the temple page on the MormonThink website was removed on May 20, 2012 and replaced with the following notice:		NOTE: Members of FAIR take their temple covenants seriously. We therefore do not discuss the particular details of the temple ceremonies. Much of the content of the MormonThink temple page discussed very specific details about the ceremony. FAIR will not discuss or respond to issues related to those details. It appears that MormonThink's inclusion of those details was causing members to be discouraged from examining their website because of the temple content. In fact, the temple page on the MormonThink website was removed on May 20, 2012 and replaced with the following notice:
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	MormonThink formerly had a discussion on issues with the origins of the temple ceremony and Masonry. However, some members informed us that ''there are many instances where a truthseeker's spouse would not even consider looking at any of the historical issues discussed anywhere on MormonThink because it discussed the temple'', even though we did not publish a transcript of the ceremonies like many other sites currently do.		MormonThink formerly had a discussion on issues with the origins of the temple ceremony and Masonry. However, some members informed us that '''there are many instances where a truthseeker's spouse would not even consider looking at any of the historical issues discussed anywhere on MormonThink because it discussed the temple''', even though we did not publish a transcript of the ceremonies like many other sites currently do. (emphasis added)
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	~~We note that~~ MormonThink did ''not'' remove the temple material because it was inappropriate, but rather because its presence made it difficult to draw believing temple recommend holders into examining their website.		To summarize, MormonThink did ''not'' remove the temple material because its presence was inappropriate or offensive to Latter-day Saints, but rather because its presence made it more difficult to draw believing temple recommend holders into examining their critical website.

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A FAIR Analysis of MormonThink page "The Temple": mod

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	{{Website response summary}}		{{Website response summary\|date=29 April 2012}}

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	*That the temple ceremony has some relationship to Freemasony, which was openly acknowledged by early Church leaders.		*That the temple ceremony has some relationship to Freemasony, which was openly acknowledged by early Church leaders.
	*That the endowment was simply copied from Freemasonry, despite the fact that Joseph discusses some detail about it prior to his becoming a Mason.		*That the endowment was simply copied from Freemasonry, despite the fact that Joseph discusses some detail about it prior to his becoming a Mason.

			NOTE: Members of FAIR take their temple covenants seriously. We therefore do not discuss the particular details of the temple ceremonies. Much of the content of the MormonThink temple page discussed very specific details about the ceremony. FAIR will not discuss or respond to issues related to those details. It appears that MormonThink's inclusion of those details was causing members to be discouraged from examining their website because of the temple content. In fact, the temple page on the MormonThink website was removed on May 20, 2012 and replaced with the following notice:
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			MormonThink formerly had a discussion on issues with the origins of the temple ceremony and Masonry. However, some members informed us that ''there are many instances where a truthseeker's spouse would not even consider looking at any of the historical issues discussed anywhere on MormonThink because it discussed the temple'', even though we did not publish a transcript of the ceremonies like many other sites currently do.
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			We note that MormonThink did ''not'' remove the temple material because it was inappropriate, but rather because its presence made it difficult to draw believing temple recommend holders into examining their website.

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	*{{antispeak\|mocking}} Latter-day Saints consider the garment sacred and do not appreciate them being referred to as the "Mormon burqas".		*{{antispeak\|mocking}} Latter-day Saints consider the garment sacred and do not appreciate them being referred to as the "Mormon burqas".
	*{{antispeak\|ex-mormon}} Burquas are a popular subject on ex-Mormon message boards.
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	~~Posted by ex-Mormon Richard Packham on an ex-Mormon message board on May 19, 2012:~~
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	Two threads recently have mentioned that righteous Mormons feel that women should cover their shoulders to avoid arousing salacious thoughts in males: one thread mentioned where the church airbrushed sleeves over some sexy angels in a painting, and another where a bratty TBM kid scolded his adult hostess for having bare shoulders....I wonder why the Prophet does not have a revelation suggesting that Mormon women keep their lower face covered? That would certainly do more, in my opinion, to prevent lustful male thoughts, than covering shoulders. Come to think of it, female eyes are also a turn-on. And a beautiful head of hair...I suspect it won't be long before the Brethren are getting Beehive Clothing to produce church-sanctioned burqa-like covers for Mormon women. That should solve the problem.
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	Posted by ex-Mormon Richard Packham on an ex-Mormon message board on May 19, 2012:		Posted by ex-Mormon Richard Packham on an ex-Mormon message board on May 19, 2012:
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	Two threads recently have mentioned that righteous Mormons feel that women should cover their shoulders to avoid arousing salacious thoughts in males: one thread mentioned where the church airbrushed sleeves over some sexy angels in a painting, and another where a bratty TBM kid scolded his adult hostess for having bare shoulders.		Two threads recently have mentioned that righteous Mormons feel that women should cover their shoulders to avoid arousing salacious thoughts in males: one thread mentioned where the church airbrushed sleeves over some sexy angels in a painting, and another where a bratty TBM kid scolded his adult hostess for having bare shoulders....I wonder why the Prophet does not have a revelation suggesting that Mormon women keep their lower face covered? That would certainly do more, in my opinion, to prevent lustful male thoughts, than covering shoulders. Come to think of it, female eyes are also a turn-on. And a beautiful head of hair...I suspect it won't be long before the Brethren are getting Beehive Clothing to produce church-sanctioned burqa-like covers for Mormon women. That should solve the problem.

	~~Personally, I don't think female shoulders are so sexy that they ought to be covered to preserve the purity of male thought~~. ~~I am a normal, healthy male, and bare shoulders don't "do" anything to turn me on.~~

	Lips, however, are quite another thing. The sight of a woman's lips, especially when smiling, and when brightened with some natural moisture, parted slightly to reveal white, even teeth - now THAT is sexy. ~~At least to me~~.

	I wonder why the Prophet does not have a revelation suggesting that Mormon women keep their lower face covered? That would certainly do more, in my opinion, to prevent lustful male thoughts, than covering shoulders.

	Come to think of it, female eyes are also a turn-on. And a beautiful head of hair...

	I suspect it won't be long before the Brethren are getting Beehive Clothing to produce church-sanctioned burqa-like covers for Mormon women. That should solve the problem.
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	*This is simply pure speculation with no basis in anything ~~said by~~ contemporary sources.		*{{antispeak\|unsupported}} This is simply pure speculation with no basis in anything found in contemporary sources.
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	*{{antispeak\|circular reasoning}} The critics state that they have "been hearing" stories and that "many people are reporting" things without any substantiation whatsoever. The critics end their summary by assuming that these "stories" are true and that they "understand" why it is necessary.		*{{antispeak\|circular reasoning}} The critics state that they have "been hearing" stories and that "many people are reporting" things without any substantiation whatsoever. The critics end their summary by assuming that these "stories" are true and that they "understand" why it is necessary.
	*{{antispeak\|wishful thinking}} The idea ~~the the~~ temple work is in decline and that it is necessary to recycle temple names is an idea that is floated around on ex-Mormon message boards.		*{{antispeak\|wishful thinking}} The idea that temple work is in decline and that it is necessary to recycle temple names is an idea that is often floated around on ex-Mormon message boards.
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