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GregSmith at 02:49, 1 July 2014

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	\|claim=No one is claiming that the average farmer of 1830 with limited education could be expected to produce something like the BOM. But the BOM did happen once. So to explain it we have only to ask is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume.		\|claim=No one is claiming that the average farmer of 1830 with limited education could be expected to produce something like the BOM. But the BOM did happen once. So to explain it we have only to ask is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume.
	\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com		\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com
	\|response={{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}The logic behind this argument is ~~simply absurd~~. The critics are claiming that the Book of Mormon exists, and we know most farmers couldn't have produced it, but it is possible that one actually did.		\|response={{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}The logic behind this argument is fatally flawed. The critics are claiming that the Book of Mormon exists, and we know most farmers couldn't have produced it, but it is possible that one actually did.
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RogerNicholson: /* "is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume" */ m

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"is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume": m

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	\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com		\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com
	\|response={{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}The logic behind this argument is simply absurd. The critics are claiming that the Book of Mormon exists, and we know most farmers couldn't have produced it, but it is possible that one actually did.		\|response={{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}The logic behind this argument is simply absurd. The critics are claiming that the Book of Mormon exists, and we know most farmers couldn't have produced it, but it is possible that one actually did.
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			== ==
			{{MormonThinkIndexClaimQuote
			\|claim=No one outside the LDS community thinks that the Book of Mormon is the work of a "genius" (such as Shakespeare, or the person/s who wrote Proverbs, etc.). Mark Twain's comment about it being "chloroform in print" seems about right to many of the non-Mormons who have ever read it.
			\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com
			\|response={{antispeak\|trivialization}}Mark Twain was also a humorist--and thus inclined to go for the laugh. This is not a deep analysis. Mark Twain was entitled to his opinion. Everyone "outside the LDS community" is entitled to theirs as well. There are also a lot of people who find Bach, Shakespeare, or Monet boring too. That says nothing about the quality of such works.
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RogerNicholson: /* "is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume" */ m

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"is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume": m

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	\|claim=No one is claiming that the average farmer of 1830 with limited education could be expected to produce something like the BOM. But the BOM did happen once. So to explain it we have only to ask is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume.		\|claim=No one is claiming that the average farmer of 1830 with limited education could be expected to produce something like the BOM. But the BOM did happen once. So to explain it we have only to ask is it possible that ONE of the millions of farmers with limited formal education could produce such a volume.
	\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com		\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com
	\|response=~~This~~ logic behind this argument is simply absurd. The critics are claiming that the Book of Mormon exists, and we know most farmers couldn't have produced it, but it is possible that one actually did.		\|response={{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}The logic behind this argument is simply absurd. The critics are claiming that the Book of Mormon exists, and we know most farmers couldn't have produced it, but it is possible that one actually did.
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RogerNicholson: /* "There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story" */ m

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"There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story": m

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	=="There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story"==		=="There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story"==
	{{~~MormonThinkIndexClaim~~		{{MormonThinkIndexClaimQuote
	\|claim=There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story. People do it all the time. A few of the more popular theories: Financial Gain....Pious Fraud....Delusions		\|claim=There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story. People do it all the time. A few of the more popular theories: Financial Gain....Pious Fraud....Delusions
	\|~~think~~=		\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon?", MormonThink.com <nowiki>http://mormonthink.com/josephweb.htm#full</nowiki>
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	{{antispeak\|spaghetti}}If you don't believe in the "gift and power of God," than any one of these explanations will do.		{{antispeak\|spaghetti}}If you don't believe in the "gift and power of God," than any one of these explanations will do.
	~~\|quote=~~
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RogerNicholson: /* "He didn't write it, he told the story and others wrote it down" */ m

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"He didn't write it, he told the story and others wrote it down": m

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	*{{antispeak\|spaghetti}} Any port in a storm, right? If you don't believe in God or in His power, then any of these explanations will do. The critics should simply choose whichever of these worldly explanations their intellect can accept, despite the problems with each one. They state that it could ''not'' have happened the way Joseph said, and simply assume that it ''must'' be one of the alternative explanations offered, despite a distinct lack of evidence for each of their theories. It requires no in-depth research of the alternative theories offered - only a declaration that one of the ''must'' be true.		{{antispeak\|spaghetti}} Any port in a storm, right? If you don't believe in God or in His power, then any of these explanations will do. The critics should simply choose whichever of these worldly explanations their intellect can accept, despite the problems with each one. They state that it could ''not'' have happened the way Joseph said, and simply assume that it ''must'' be one of the alternative explanations offered, despite a distinct lack of evidence for each of their theories. It requires no in-depth research of the alternative theories offered - only a declaration that one of the ''must'' be true.
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	==== ====		=="There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story"==
			{{MormonThinkIndexClaim
			\|claim=There's no shortage of theories as to why Joseph would tell a false story. People do it all the time. A few of the more popular theories: Financial Gain....Pious Fraud....Delusions
			\|think=
			{{antispeak\|spaghetti}}If you don't believe in the "gift and power of God," than any one of these explanations will do.
			\|quote=
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			=="It's just not a remarkable book. Mormons are brainwashed"==
	{{MormonThinkIndexClaimQuote		{{MormonThinkIndexClaimQuote
	\|claim=It's just not a remarkable book. Mormons are brainwashed (in Emperor's New Clothes fashion) to think that it is. But it isn't. And really, a religious education to go along with his vivid imagination is all Smith needed to produce the Book of Mormon--that's where all of the book's impressiveness lies: in the sermons and the long doctrinal asides. Whereas the 'historical' side of the book is, well, far-fetched and ignorantly composed.		\|claim=It's just not a remarkable book. Mormons are brainwashed (in Emperor's New Clothes fashion) to think that it is. But it isn't. And really, a religious education to go along with his vivid imagination is all Smith needed to produce the Book of Mormon--that's where all of the book's impressiveness lies: in the sermons and the long doctrinal asides. Whereas the 'historical' side of the book is, well, far-fetched and ignorantly composed.

RogerNicholson: /* "The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day" */ m

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"The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day": m

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	\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com		\|source="Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon," MormonThink.com
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	{{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}		{{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}Let's parse the critics' logic on this one...
	Let's parse the critics' logic on this one...
	*"There are millions of books in libraries all over the world." OK, we agree.		*"There are millions of books in libraries all over the world." OK, we agree.
	*"The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day." Uh...OK. So the "average person ''couldn't'' write any of those book," but "millions" write them every day. Whatever...		*"The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day." Uh...OK. So the "average person ''couldn't'' write any of those book," but "millions" write them every day. Whatever...

RogerNicholson: /* "The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day" */ m

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"The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day": m

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	*{{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}		{{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}
	Let's parse the critics' logic on this one...		Let's parse the critics' logic on this one...
	*"There are millions of books in libraries all over the world." OK, we agree.		*"There are millions of books in libraries all over the world." OK, we agree.

RogerNicholson: /* "The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day" */ m

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"The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day": m

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	Let's parse the critics' ~~login~~ on this one...		*{{antispeak\|incomprehensible}}
			Let's parse the critics' logic on this one...
	*"There are millions of books in libraries all over the world." OK, we agree.		*"There are millions of books in libraries all over the world." OK, we agree.
	*"The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day." Uh...OK. So the "average person ''couldn't'' write any of those book," but "millions" write them every day. Whatever...		*"The average person couldn't write any of those books yet millions of people write those books every day." Uh...OK. So the "average person ''couldn't'' write any of those book," but "millions" write them every day. Whatever...
	*"Some of us can't fathom how extremely complex stories like Lord of the Rings, War and Peace or even Star Wars were written by one person yet no one questions that a single, modern author wrote each of those works." They're very intelligent authors. They write novels. It's what they do. Some people have that kind of talent to create entire fictional worlds.		*"Some of us can't fathom how extremely complex stories like Lord of the Rings, War and Peace or even Star Wars were written by one person yet no one questions that a single, modern author wrote each of those works." They're very intelligent authors. They write novels. It's what they do. Some people have that kind of talent to create entire fictional worlds.

	~~Oh....so~~ this is supposed to ~~imply~~ that ''Joseph Smith~~'' had~~ the ~~talent to write a "less complicated" fictional work...or Solomon Spalding...or Oliver Cowdery....or Sidney Rigdon....or~~ ''~~someone~~''.		So, is this supposed to prove that Joseph Smith could have written the Book of Mormon simply because ''other people have also written books''? After all, the library if full of the evidence of this.

	Now, tell us which ones can do it in 90 days while simultaneously working on the farm, or treasure hunting, or dictating it from memory in full view of everyone while looking into a hat....and retain total consistency of cross references not only within the book itself, but with the Bible?		Now, tell us which ones can do it in 90 days while simultaneously working on the farm, or treasure hunting, or dictating it from memory in full view of everyone while looking into a hat....and retain total consistency of cross references not only within the book itself, but with the Bible?