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	\|claim=Munster Anabaptists' practices are claimed to be "reminiscent of Brigham Young's policies," and "over hundred women were allowed to divorce the men they had been forced to marry."		\|claim=Munster Anabaptists' practices are claimed to be "reminiscent of Brigham Young's policies," and "over hundred women were allowed to divorce the men they had been forced to marry."
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	#*Williams, ''Radical Reformation'', 3d. ed., 570; no reference for the LDS claims.		#Williams, ''Radical Reformation'', 3d. ed., 570; no reference for the LDS claims.
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	*The historical comparison is inaccurate on virtually every level.		*The historical comparison is inaccurate on virtually every level.
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	\|claim=The author suggests that Orson Hyde "might have been sensitized by Joseph Smith's 1831 suggestion of plural marriage to Native Americans and therefore judged the Cochranites less harshly than otherwise."		\|claim=The author suggests that Orson Hyde "might have been sensitized by Joseph Smith's 1831 suggestion of plural marriage to Native Americans and therefore judged the Cochranites less harshly than otherwise."
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	#*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=8}}		#{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=8}}
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	*This is a reference to the idea that Native Americans were to be made "white and delightsome" through plural marriage. See: [[Polygamy/Lamanites to become "white and delightsome" through polygamous marriage]]		*This is a reference to the idea that Native Americans were to be made "white and delightsome" through plural marriage. See: [[Polygamy/Lamanites to become "white and delightsome" through polygamous marriage]]
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	\|claim=It is claimed that before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists.		\|claim=It is claimed that before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists.
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	#*Lowell “Ben” Bennion, “The Incidence of Mormon Polygamy in 1880: ‘Dixie’ Versus Davis Stake,” ''Journal of Mormon History'' 11 (1984): 27–42.		#Lowell “Ben” Bennion, “The Incidence of Mormon Polygamy in 1880: ‘Dixie’ Versus Davis Stake,” ''Journal of Mormon History'' 11 (1984): 27–42.
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	\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"The leaders in Salt Lake…failed to comprehend how unsavoury it appeared for a man of high priesthood rank to claim the wife of someone of lower status if a missionary's wife was loaned to someone else during the husband's absence."}}		\|claim={{AuthorQuote\|"The leaders in Salt Lake…failed to comprehend how unsavoury it appeared for a man of high priesthood rank to claim the wife of someone of lower status if a missionary's wife was loaned to someone else during the husband's absence."}}
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	#*S. George Ellsworth, ed., ''The Journals of Addison Pratt'' (SLC: U of Utah Press, 1990), 515; Smith, ''Intimate Chronicle'', 227n.		#S. George Ellsworth, ed., ''The Journals of Addison Pratt'' (SLC: U of Utah Press, 1990), 515; Smith, ''Intimate Chronicle'', 227n.
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	\|claim=[continued from above] "Both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had set such examples."		\|claim=[continued from above] "Both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had set such examples."
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	#*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=37-46}}		#{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=37-46}}
	*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=34, 442-44}}		*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=34, 442-44}}
	*{{CriticalWork:Newell Avery:Mormon Enigma\|pages=100-01}}		*{{CriticalWork:Newell Avery:Mormon Enigma\|pages=100-01}}
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	\|claim=Communist author Friedrich Engels wrote "that with every great revolutionary movement the question of 'free love' comes into the foreground."		\|claim=Communist author Friedrich Engels wrote "that with every great revolutionary movement the question of 'free love' comes into the foreground."
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	#*Hill, ''World Turned Upside Down'', 247; citing Engel's manuscript, "The Book of Revelation," (1883, published in 20th century in Moscow).		#Hill, ''World Turned Upside Down'', 247; citing Engel's manuscript, "The Book of Revelation," (1883, published in 20th century in Moscow).
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	*Using an author of the ''Communist Manifesto'' may serve to prejudice readers.		*Using an author of the ''Communist Manifesto'' may serve to prejudice readers.
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	\|claim=The author claims that "Dana Miller of Idaho Falls was told by his church leaders that 'men will have more than one wife in the celestial kingdom. It's doctrinal.'"		\|claim=The author claims that "Dana Miller of Idaho Falls was told by his church leaders that 'men will have more than one wife in the celestial kingdom. It's doctrinal.'"
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	#*Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''.		#Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''.
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	*Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say.		*Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say.

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	*Williams, ''Radical Reformation'', 3d. ed., 570; no reference for the LDS claims.		#*Williams, ''Radical Reformation'', 3d. ed., 570; no reference for the LDS claims.
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	*The historical comparison is inaccurate on virtually every level.		*The historical comparison is inaccurate on virtually every level.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=8}}		#*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=8}}
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	*This is a reference to the idea that Native Americans were to be made "white and delightsome" through plural marriage. See: [[Polygamy/Lamanites to become "white and delightsome" through polygamous marriage]]		*This is a reference to the idea that Native Americans were to be made "white and delightsome" through plural marriage. See: [[Polygamy/Lamanites to become "white and delightsome" through polygamous marriage]]
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	The author suggests that Joseph Smith had predicted the return of Jesus Christ when he said that "fifty-six years should wind up the scene and the Saviour should come to his people."		The author suggests that Joseph Smith had predicted the return of Jesus Christ when he said that "fifty-six years should wind up the scene and the Saviour should come to his people."
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	Diary of Charles Lowell Walker, 2:522.		#Diary of Charles Lowell Walker, 2:522.
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	*Lowell “Ben” Bennion, “The Incidence of Mormon Polygamy in 1880: ‘Dixie’ Versus Davis Stake,” ''Journal of Mormon History'' 11 (1984): 27–42.		#*Lowell “Ben” Bennion, “The Incidence of Mormon Polygamy in 1880: ‘Dixie’ Versus Davis Stake,” ''Journal of Mormon History'' 11 (1984): 27–42.
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	*S. George Ellsworth, ed., ''The Journals of Addison Pratt'' (SLC: U of Utah Press, 1990), 515; Smith, ''Intimate Chronicle'', 227n.		#*S. George Ellsworth, ed., ''The Journals of Addison Pratt'' (SLC: U of Utah Press, 1990), 515; Smith, ''Intimate Chronicle'', 227n.
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	\|claim=[continued from above] "Both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had set such examples."		\|claim=[continued from above] "Both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had set such examples."
	\|authorsources=		\|authorsources=<br>
	*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=37-46}}		#*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy\|pages=37-46}}
	*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=34, 442-44}}		*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows\|pages=34, 442-44}}
	*{{CriticalWork:Newell Avery:Mormon Enigma\|pages=100-01}}		*{{CriticalWork:Newell Avery:Mormon Enigma\|pages=100-01}}
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	*Hill, ''World Turned Upside Down'', 247; citing Engel's manuscript, "The Book of Revelation," (1883, published in 20th century in Moscow).		#*Hill, ''World Turned Upside Down'', 247; citing Engel's manuscript, "The Book of Revelation," (1883, published in 20th century in Moscow).
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	*Using an author of the ''Communist Manifesto'' may serve to prejudice readers.		*Using an author of the ''Communist Manifesto'' may serve to prejudice readers.
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	*Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''.		#*Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''.
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	*Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say.		*Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say.

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	*{{~~FalseStatement}}~~ This claim is false as of the summer of 2008. A FairMormon member went on the tour, and Brigham's many wives and children were mentioned frequently, especially in the family "store" from which goods were distributed. <ref>Gregory L. Smith, personal communication to FairMormon, 22 December 2008 (used with permission).</ref>		{{disinformation\| This claim is false as of the summer of 2008. A FairMormon member went on the tour, and Brigham's many wives and children were mentioned frequently, especially in the family "store" from which goods were distributed. <ref>Gregory L. Smith, personal communication to FairMormon, 22 December 2008 (used with permission).</ref>}}

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