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	{{misinformation\|The authors implicitly criticize President Gordon Hinckley's quote of Lorenzo Snow's couplet. By this, they ignore I John 3:1-3. Do the authors disbelieve that Christians will be like Jesus?		{{misinformation\|The authors implicitly criticize President Gordon Hinckley's quote of Lorenzo Snow's couplet. By this, they ignore I John 3:1-3. Do the authors disbelieve that Christians will be like Jesus?

	The authors disdain alleged ~~LDS~~ disbelief in God's omnipotence. Can God lie? If not, then He is not omnipotent. If He can, why are there scriptures that state that He cannot? ({{s\|\|Titus\|1\|2}}) It is only in this sense that members of the Church disbelieve God's absolute omnipotence. Members of the ~~LDS~~ Church do not question whether God is mighty enough to create the universe, or to effect the Atonement.		The authors disdain the Latter-day Saints' alleged disbelief in God's omnipotence. Can God lie? If not, then He is not omnipotent. If He can, why are there scriptures that state that He cannot? ({{s\|\|Titus\|1\|2}}) It is only in this sense that members of the Church disbelieve God's absolute omnipotence. Members of the Church do not question whether God is mighty enough to create the universe, or to effect the Atonement.
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	{{strawman\|The authors' create a straw man argument implying that Latter-day Saints gainsay that God is infinitely exalted above any and all mortal humans, yet they ignore the Book of Genesis, which states that man is created in God's image. ({{s\|\|Genesis\|1\|27}}) Is it logical to think that man has zero in common with the Creator who chose to make mankind in His image?		{{strawman\|The authors' create a straw man argument implying that Latter-day Saints gainsay that God is infinitely exalted above any and all mortal humans, yet they ignore the Book of Genesis, which states that man is created in God's image. ({{s\|\|Genesis\|1\|27}}) Is it logical to think that man has zero in common with the Creator who chose to make mankind in His image?

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	*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p. 345.		*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p. 345.
	*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', p. 132.		*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', p. 132.
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	*Brigham Young, ''Discourses'', 22.		*Brigham Young, ''Discourses'', 22.
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	*Hunter, ''The Gospel Through the Ages'', 107.		*Hunter, ''The Gospel Through the Ages'', 107.
	*Parley P. Pratt, ''Key to the Science of Theology: A Voice of Warning'', 21.		*Parley P. Pratt, ''Key to the Science of Theology: A Voice of Warning'', 21.
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	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|vol=6\|disc=62\|start=345}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|vol=6\|disc=62\|start=345}}
	*James Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 42-43.		*James Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 42-43.

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	#*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', p. 426.		#Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', p. 426.
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	{{propaganda\|The authors' use ambiguous terminology. They wish to confuse a differing understanding of who God is with worshipping another god altogether. To understand the tactic used by the authors, consider the city of Cleveland, Ohio. One of the historical black marks against the city was the pollution quite evident in Lake Erie. Cleveland certainly became a different city once the lake was cleaned up. By the reasoning of the authors, one would conclude that Cleveland, Ohio became Cleveland, Tennessee once Lake Erie was cleaned up.		{{propaganda\|The authors' use ambiguous terminology. They wish to confuse a differing understanding of who God is with worshipping another god altogether. To understand the tactic used by the authors, consider the city of Cleveland, Ohio. One of the historical black marks against the city was the pollution quite evident in Lake Erie. Cleveland certainly became a different city once the lake was cleaned up. By the reasoning of the authors, one would conclude that Cleveland, Ohio became Cleveland, Tennessee once Lake Erie was cleaned up.
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	*LDS leaders have stated that "worship of the God of Christianity's creeds will not result in salvation." Joseph Smith described these creeds as "an abomination in his sight."		*LDS leaders have stated that "worship of the God of Christianity's creeds will not result in salvation." Joseph Smith described these creeds as "an abomination in his sight."
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	#*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 2d ed. p. 270.		#Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 2d ed. p. 270.
	*Bruce R. McConkie, ''A New Witness for the Articles of Faith'', p. 55.		*Bruce R. McConkie, ''A New Witness for the Articles of Faith'', p. 55.
	*Bruce R. McConkie, "Our Relationship with the Lord," speech given at BYU devotional, 2 March 1982, p. 3.		*Bruce R. McConkie, "Our Relationship with the Lord," speech given at BYU devotional, 2 March 1982, p. 3.
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	*The authors state that Gordon B. Hinckley "made it not clear on whether such a concept was part of Mormon belief."		*The authors state that Gordon B. Hinckley "made it not clear on whether such a concept was part of Mormon belief."
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	#*Don Lattin, journalist from the ''San Francisco Chronicle'' in an interview with President Hinckley in 1997.		#Don Lattin, journalist from the ''San Francisco Chronicle'' in an interview with President Hinckley in 1997.
	*David Van Biema, ''Time'', 4 August 1997, p. 56.		*David Van Biema, ''Time'', 4 August 1997, p. 56.
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	*The authors claim that Mormons believe that "God could stop being God."		*The authors claim that Mormons believe that "God could stop being God."
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	#*W. Cleon Skousen, ''The First 2,000 Years'', p. 355-56.		#W. Cleon Skousen, ''The First 2,000 Years'', p. 355-56.
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	{{disinformation\|The claim is absurd. Cleon Skousen's work hardly represents LDS doctrine. The authors had to look pretty far from the standard works in order to make such a claim.		{{disinformation\|The claim is absurd. Cleon Skousen's work hardly represents LDS doctrine. The authors had to look pretty far from the standard works in order to make such a claim.
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	*The "Mormon God cannot create ''ex nihilo'', or out of nothing." The authors claim that the "Mormon God" is limited to creating only out of existing matter.		*The "Mormon God cannot create ''ex nihilo'', or out of nothing." The authors claim that the "Mormon God" is limited to creating only out of existing matter.
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	#*John Widtsoe, ''A Rational Theology'', p. 12.		#John Widtsoe, ''A Rational Theology'', p. 12.
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	{{propaganda\|The authors wish to make it appear that Mormons feel that God is limited in some way. Mormons do not believe that God is "limited."}}		{{propaganda\|The authors wish to make it appear that Mormons feel that God is limited in some way. Mormons do not believe that God is "limited."}}

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	Despite Kimball's claim, many laypeople in the Mormon Church insist that the God they worship is the same God worshiped by millions of Christians throughout the world. The problem with this assumption is that it does not concur with many statements made by the LDS leadership.		Despite Kimball's claim, many laypeople in the Mormon Church insist that the God they worship is the same God worshiped by millions of Christians throughout the world. The problem with this assumption is that it does not concur with many statements made by the LDS leadership.
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	*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', p. 426.		#*Spencer W. Kimball, ''Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball'', p. 426.
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	*LDS leaders have stated that "worship of the God of Christianity's creeds will not result in salvation." Joseph Smith described these creeds as "an abomination in his sight."		*LDS leaders have stated that "worship of the God of Christianity's creeds will not result in salvation." Joseph Smith described these creeds as "an abomination in his sight."
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	*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 2d ed. p. 270.		#*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', 2d ed. p. 270.
	*Bruce R. McConkie, ''A New Witness for the Articles of Faith'', p. 55.		*Bruce R. McConkie, ''A New Witness for the Articles of Faith'', p. 55.
	*Bruce R. McConkie, "Our Relationship with the Lord," speech given at BYU devotional, 2 March 1982, p. 3.		*Bruce R. McConkie, "Our Relationship with the Lord," speech given at BYU devotional, 2 March 1982, p. 3.
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	*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p. 345.		*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith'', p. 345.
	*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', p. 132.		*Orson Pratt, ''The Seer'', p. 132.
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	*Brigham Young, ''Discourses'', 22.		*Brigham Young, ''Discourses'', 22.
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	*Hunter, ''The Gospel Through the Ages'', 107.		*Hunter, ''The Gospel Through the Ages'', 107.
	*Parley P. Pratt, ''Key to the Science of Theology: A Voice of Warning'', 21.		*Parley P. Pratt, ''Key to the Science of Theology: A Voice of Warning'', 21.
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	*Don Lattin, journalist from the ''San Francisco Chronicle'' in an interview with President Hinckley in 1997.		#*Don Lattin, journalist from the ''San Francisco Chronicle'' in an interview with President Hinckley in 1997.
	*David Van Biema, ''Time'', 4 August 1997, p. 56.		*David Van Biema, ''Time'', 4 August 1997, p. 56.
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	*W. Cleon Skousen, ''The First 2,000 Years'', p. 355-56.		#*W. Cleon Skousen, ''The First 2,000 Years'', p. 355-56.
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	{{disinformation\|The claim is absurd. Cleon Skousen's work hardly represents LDS doctrine. The authors had to look pretty far from the standard works in order to make such a claim.		{{disinformation\|The claim is absurd. Cleon Skousen's work hardly represents LDS doctrine. The authors had to look pretty far from the standard works in order to make such a claim.
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	*The "Mormon God cannot create ''ex nihilo'', or out of nothing." The authors claim that the "Mormon God" is limited to creating only out of existing matter.		*The "Mormon God cannot create ''ex nihilo'', or out of nothing." The authors claim that the "Mormon God" is limited to creating only out of existing matter.
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	*John Widtsoe, ''A Rational Theology'', p. 12.		#*John Widtsoe, ''A Rational Theology'', p. 12.
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	{{propaganda\|The authors wish to make it appear that Mormons feel that God is limited in some way. Mormons do not believe that God is "limited."}}		{{propaganda\|The authors wish to make it appear that Mormons feel that God is limited in some way. Mormons do not believe that God is "limited."}}
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	*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|vol=6\|disc=62\|start=345}}		*{{JDfairwiki\|author=Brigham Young\|vol=6\|disc=62\|start=345}}
	*James Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 42-43.		*James Talmage, ''The Articles of Faith'', 42-43.

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