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	The Book of Mormon "can hardly be considered unique" since James Strang produced a set of plates that were seen by witnesses.		The Book of Mormon "can hardly be considered unique" since James Strang produced a set of plates that were seen by witnesses.
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	{{misinformation\|The author fails to tell us that the Strangite witnesses only testified about how the plates were found, and some of these witnesses (unlike the Book of Mormon witnesses) [[~~Book_of_Mormon_witnesses~~/Recant\|recanted]] later.		{{misinformation\|The author fails to tell us that the Strangite witnesses only testified about how the plates were found, and some of these witnesses (unlike the Book of Mormon witnesses) [[Book of Mormon witnesses/Recant\|recanted]] later.
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	#{{CriticalWork:Palmer:Insider\|pages=208-212}}		#{{CriticalWork:Palmer:Insider\|pages=208-212}}
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	{{misinformation\|The Green article argued in ''1969'' that Lehites were not the only source of Amerindian stock. The Green article proves that "all modern Mormons" did not think this. There are also many other statements which show that this view was not universal:		{{misinformation\|The Green article argued in ''1969'' that Lehites were not the only source of Amerindian stock. The Green article proves that "all modern Mormons" did not think this. There are also many other statements which show that this view was not universal:
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	#{{s\|\|DC\|54\|8}}—"And thus you shall take your journey into the regions westward, unto the land of Missouri, unto the borders of the Lamanites"		#{{s\|\|D&C\|54\|8}}—"And thus you shall take your journey into the regions westward, unto the land of Missouri, unto the borders of the Lamanites"
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	{{:Question: Does a Mesoamerican limited geographical Book of Mormon setting contradict D&C 54:8, which discusses the "borders of the Lamanites" being in North America?}}		{{:Question: Does a Mesoamerican limited geographical Book of Mormon setting contradict D&C 54:8, which discusses the "borders of the Lamanites" being in North America?}}
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	#Cooper Johnson, [http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/DNA_and_the_Book_of_Mormon.html DNA and the Book of Mormon], FAIR web site		#Cooper Johnson, [http://www.fairlds.org/Book_of_Mormon/DNA_and_the_Book_of_Mormon.html DNA and the Book of Mormon], FAIR web site
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	*[[~~Book_of_Mormon_geography~~/Statements\|Statements about Book of Mormon geography and peoples]]		*[[Book of Mormon geography/Statements\|Statements about Book of Mormon geography and peoples]]

	==Response to claim: 72, 366n130 - The LDS view has ''always'' been that Israelites were the first people to populate the Americas==		==Response to claim: 72, 366n130 - The LDS view has ''always'' been that Israelites were the first people to populate the Americas==
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	The 1839 history of the Church identified the angel who delivered the plates to Joseph as Nephi rather than Moroni.		The 1839 history of the Church identified the angel who delivered the plates to Joseph as Nephi rather than Moroni.
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	*Joseph Smith 1839 History		*Joseph Smith 1839 History
	*''Millennial Star'', vol. 3, no 12, pp. 53, 71.		*''Millennial Star'', vol. 3, no 12, pp. 53, 71.
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	Joseph used his seer stone to locate the plates.		Joseph used his seer stone to locate the plates.
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	*Martin Harris, ''Tiffany's Monthly'' interview, 1859.		*Martin Harris, ''Tiffany's Monthly'' interview, 1859.
	*Hosea Stout, ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', Juanita Brooks, ed., vol. 2. p. 593.		*Hosea Stout, ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', Juanita Brooks, ed., vol. 2. p. 593.
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	The "golden book" was originally supposed to be about "hidden treasure" — the "religious twist" was added later.		The "golden book" was originally supposed to be about "hidden treasure" — the "religious twist" was added later.
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	*Parley Chase, letter to James T. Cobb, Apr. 3, 1879, in {{CriticalWork:Wyl:Mormon Portraits Volume First\|pages=276}} , reprinted in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=3\|start=135}}		*Parley Chase, letter to James T. Cobb, Apr. 3, 1879, in {{CriticalWork:Wyl:Mormon Portraits Volume First\|pages=276}} , reprinted in {{EarlyMormonDocs1\|vol=3\|start=135}}
	*Hiel Lewis, ''The Amboy Journal'', Apr. 30, 1879, quoted in Wesley P. Walters, "The Mormon Prophet Attempts to Join the Methodists"		*Hiel Lewis, ''The Amboy Journal'', Apr. 30, 1879, quoted in Wesley P. Walters, "The Mormon Prophet Attempts to Join the Methodists"
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	The use of the word "synagogue" in the Book of Mormon is an anachronism.		The use of the word "synagogue" in the Book of Mormon is an anachronism.
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	*Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, p. 268		*Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, p. 268
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	There are anachronistic references to cows in the New World hundreds of years before Christ.		There are anachronistic references to cows in the New World hundreds of years before Christ.
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	*Thomas D.S. Key, ""A Biologist Looks at the Book of Mormon,"" Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, June 1985, XXX-VIII, p. 3."		*Thomas D.S. Key, ""A Biologist Looks at the Book of Mormon,"" Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, June 1985, XXX-VIII, p. 3."
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	There are anachronistic references to horses in the New World hundreds of years before Christ.		There are anachronistic references to horses in the New World hundreds of years before Christ.
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	*Thomas D.S. Key, ""A Biologist Looks at the Book of Mormon,"" Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, June 1985, XXX-VIII, p. 3."		*Thomas D.S. Key, ""A Biologist Looks at the Book of Mormon,"" Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, June 1985, XXX-VIII, p. 3."
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	There are anachronistic references to goats in the New World hundreds of years before Christ.		There are anachronistic references to goats in the New World hundreds of years before Christ.
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	*Thomas D.S. Key, ""A Biologist Looks at the Book of Mormon,"" Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, June 1985, XXX-VIII, p. 3."		*Thomas D.S. Key, ""A Biologist Looks at the Book of Mormon,"" Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, June 1985, XXX-VIII, p. 3."
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	Joseph Smith incorporated text from Josiah Priest's ''The Wonders of Nature'' into the Book of Mormon.		Joseph Smith incorporated text from Josiah Priest's ''The Wonders of Nature'' into the Book of Mormon.
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	*Josiah Priest, ''The Wonders of Nature'', 1825		*Josiah Priest, ''The Wonders of Nature'', 1825
	*Abanes, p. 69		*Abanes, p. 69
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	Joseph Smith plagiarized Ethan Smith's View of the Hebrews.		Joseph Smith plagiarized Ethan Smith's View of the Hebrews.
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	*Ethan Smith, ''View of the Hebrews'', 1825		*Ethan Smith, ''View of the Hebrews'', 1825
	*David Persuitte, p. 107, 122		*David Persuitte, p. 107, 122
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	Cowdery, Whitmer and Harris's statements that they actually saw the plates only refer to times that the plates were either covered with a cloth or in a wooden box.		Cowdery, Whitmer and Harris's statements that they actually saw the plates only refer to times that the plates were either covered with a cloth or in a wooden box.
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	*{{CriticalWork:Palmer:Insider\|pages=198-199}}		*{{CriticalWork:Palmer:Insider\|pages=198-199}}
	*Harris, Tiffany's Monthly interview, 1859."		*Harris, Tiffany's Monthly interview, 1859."
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	{{misinformation\|On p. 66, the author cited Green's opinion from 1969. Green argues that a limited geography should be given serious consideration, and that seeing all Amerindians as only Lamanites is a mistake not supported by the text. But, the author will not accept Green's view of ''this'' matter.		{{misinformation\|On p. 66, the author cited Green's opinion from 1969. Green argues that a limited geography should be given serious consideration, and that seeing all Amerindians as only Lamanites is a mistake not supported by the text. But, the author will not accept Green's view of ''this'' matter.
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	*Vogel and Metcalfe, ''American Apocrypha'', pp. viii-ix.		*Vogel and Metcalfe, ''American Apocrypha'', pp. viii-ix.
	*Deanne G. Matheny, "Does the Shoe Fit? A critique of the Limited tehuantepec Geography," in ''New Approaches to the Book of Mormon: Explorations in Critical Methodology.''		*Deanne G. Matheny, "Does the Shoe Fit? A critique of the Limited tehuantepec Geography," in ''New Approaches to the Book of Mormon: Explorations in Critical Methodology.''
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	{{misinformation\|All Amerindians ''are'' descendants of Lehi; they are not ''exclusive'' descendants of Lehi On p. 66, the author cited Green's opinion from 1969. Green argues that seeing all Amerindians as only Lamanites is a mistake not supported by the text. But, the author will not accept Green's view of ''this'' matter. Further, this is evidence for the position (which the author mocks on p. 67) that Joseph did not know his own book's contents.		{{misinformation\|All Amerindians ''are'' descendants of Lehi; they are not ''exclusive'' descendants of Lehi On p. 66, the author cited Green's opinion from 1969. Green argues that seeing all Amerindians as only Lamanites is a mistake not supported by the text. But, the author will not accept Green's view of ''this'' matter. Further, this is evidence for the position (which the author mocks on p. 67) that Joseph did not know his own book's contents.
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	*Joseph Smith's 1835 account of the First Vision found in the ''Ohio Journal—1835-1836, Nov. 9, 1835, reprinted in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', vol. 1, p. 44.		*Joseph Smith's 1835 account of the First Vision found in the ''Ohio Journal—1835-1836, Nov. 9, 1835, reprinted in Vogel, ''Early Mormon Documents'', vol. 1, p. 44.
	*Joseph Smith, Mar. 1, 1842, letter to John Wentworth, ''History of the Church'', Vol. 4, p. 537.		*Joseph Smith, Mar. 1, 1842, letter to John Wentworth, ''History of the Church'', Vol. 4, p. 537.
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	{{misinformation\|The word "land" that was "kept from the knowledge of other nations" does not mean the entire North and South American continent. It refers to the land that was first settled by the Lehits. The Green article proves that "all modern Mormons" did not think this. There are also many other statements which show that this view was not universal. {{InternalContradiction\|66}}: The Green article argued in ''1969'' that Lehites were not the only source of Amerindian stock.		{{misinformation\|The word "land" that was "kept from the knowledge of other nations" does not mean the entire North and South American continent. It refers to the land that was first settled by the Lehits. The Green article proves that "all modern Mormons" did not think this. There are also many other statements which show that this view was not universal. {{InternalContradiction\|66}}: The Green article argued in ''1969'' that Lehites were not the only source of Amerindian stock.
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	*{{s\|2\|Nephi\|1\|6}}		*{{s\|2\|Nephi\|1\|6}}
	*J. Reuben Clark, "Prophecies, Penalties, and Blessings," ''Improvement Era'', July 1940, vol. xliii., no. 7 quoted in Bill McKeever, "DNA and the Book of Mormon Record," Mormonism Research Ministry.		*J. Reuben Clark, "Prophecies, Penalties, and Blessings," ''Improvement Era'', July 1940, vol. xliii., no. 7 quoted in Bill McKeever, "DNA and the Book of Mormon Record," Mormonism Research Ministry.
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	{{propaganda\|The author ignores that many critics who ''use'' DNA evidence against the Book of Mormon ''do'' belong to denominations that advocate a Young Earth and/or a universal Noachian flood. The criticism is therefore valid as it applies to them.		{{propaganda\|The author ignores that many critics who ''use'' DNA evidence against the Book of Mormon ''do'' belong to denominations that advocate a Young Earth and/or a universal Noachian flood. The criticism is therefore valid as it applies to them.
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	*No source is provided by the author for his claim that the "majority of Christians" understand that the world is older than 6000 years.		*No source is provided by the author for his claim that the "majority of Christians" understand that the world is older than 6000 years.
	*Daniel C. Peterson, FAIR Conference, untitled lecture, Aug. 8, 2003, author's private notes.		*Daniel C. Peterson, FAIR Conference, untitled lecture, Aug. 8, 2003, author's private notes.
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	Thomas Stuart Ferguson lost his testimony of the Book of Mormon after failing to find archaeological evidence.		Thomas Stuart Ferguson lost his testimony of the Book of Mormon after failing to find archaeological evidence.
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	*Thomas Stuart Ferguson, ''One fold and One Shepherd''.		*Thomas Stuart Ferguson, ''One fold and One Shepherd''.
	*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Ferguson's Two Faces," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' #69, Sept. 1988, p. 3		*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, "Ferguson's Two Faces," ''Salt Lake City Messenger'' #69, Sept. 1988, p. 3
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	LDS scholars believe that Quetzalcoatl was Jesus Christ. However, Quetzalcoatl's association with a "feathered serpent" constitutes "snake worship," and is therefore inconsistent with worship of Jesus Christ.		LDS scholars believe that Quetzalcoatl was Jesus Christ. However, Quetzalcoatl's association with a "feathered serpent" constitutes "snake worship," and is therefore inconsistent with worship of Jesus Christ.
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	*John L. Sorenson, "The Decline of the God Quetzalcoatl, " in ''Pressing Forward with the Book of Mormon'', p. 234.		*John L. Sorenson, "The Decline of the God Quetzalcoatl, " in ''Pressing Forward with the Book of Mormon'', p. 234.
	*Joseph Allen, ''Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon''.		*Joseph Allen, ''Exploring the Lands of the Book of Mormon''.

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