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Joseph Smith is reported as saying:
- “I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” (History of The Church 6:408–409. BYU Studies link
This attitude strikes some as boastful, and unbecoming a prophet.
Voir aussi: Source(s) de la critique
Réponse
The quote in which Joseph Smith seems to boast is an interesting one. To understand the issues, we must remember:
- it is not based on Joseph's own writing; it is an account written after his death
- Joseph was using a scriptural passage by Paul, and applying it to his own situation--the idea of "boasting" was Paul's, not Joseph's.
We will look at each of these aspects in more detail.
Entries made by scribes, not Joseph
Even in the History of the Church (where the speech is recreated in 6:408-409), it is described as resting upon a "synopsis" by Thomas Bullock. Is it, therefore, a primary source? Arguably not.[1]
But there are further questions. The date of the sermon is 26 May 1844. A month later, the Prophet was dead. Did he supervise this entry? No. The last years of his entries in the History of the Church were actually made by others after his death. It was common at the time for other authors to write as if someone else was speaking. So, these are not Joseph's words--they are the words which others (who admired him enormously after his murder) put in his mouth. The basic content is more likely to be accurate than the subtle details of tone and style.
This point is vitally important to keep in mind when trying to assess the character of Joseph Smith, his moral and spiritual quality, through the so-called "Documentary History." Even when it seems to have Joseph Smith speaking in the first person, the History of the Church may or may not actually be representing Joseph Smith's actual voice. (Dean Jessee's "Preface" to his collection of The Personal Writings of Joseph Smith specifically addresses the issue of the seeming egotism that entered into Joseph's later statements which was quite foreign to the man himself--this came not because Joseph suddenly became egotistical, but because the voice we hear is no longer Joseph's: it is the work of scribes following his death. They felt comfortable "praising" Joseph in ways which he would probably not have used.)
The impression which one gets of Joseph Smith from reading his authenticated personal statements is that of a humble and sincere man, struggling to do the will of God as he understood it. However, even if a note of proud defiance had crept into Joseph's tone during a speech in Nauvoo, at a time when both city and Church were under threat and pressure from gangs of unprincipled bigots, such a moment of weakness would be understandable.
But, there is more to the story than this. What was Joseph's intent in his speech? We can guess, even from the reconstruction that is available to us, as we will see in the next section.
First, though, we must address an issue which the above answer raises—does this mean the History of the Church is not reliable?
Is the History of the Church unreliable, then?
It worth saying that in the general reliability of the History of the Church, in view of the way it was put together, it is not the overall thrust or narrative that is likely to be inaccurate, but the nuances, the tone, the details. This is precisely the opposite problem from that which anti-Mormon critics would have us see in it: they think the overall story of the History incorrect (e.g. divine intervention, revelation, Joseph Smith's prophetic calling, etc.), but they want us to accept the details of tone and mood that it furnishes—or at least they do when those details seem to put the Prophet in a bad light.
It's amusing that the very same people who vehemently reject the History of the Church as an unreliable source when it seems to support the LDS position clutch it to their bosoms as an unparalleled historical treasure when they think they can use it as a weapon against the alleged errors of Mormonism.[2]
Boasting?
The critics' second error is to take Joseph's quote out of context. What was Joseph's intent, and why did he use this approach? As it turns out, he was drawing from the Bible and applying its lessons to his own situation.
In the original context, Joseph was facing intense persecution by many people, including some he had previously considered to be his friends. The statement about "boasting" was supposedly made about a month before he was killed. He made it after reading 2 Cor. 11: to the congregation. Note the following statement by Paul, in this scripture:
- Again I say, let no one think me foolish; but if you do, receive me even as foolish, that I also may boast a little. That which I am speaking, I am not speaking it as the Lord would, but as in foolishness, in this confidence of boasting. Since many boast according to the flesh, I will boast also. For you, being so wise, bear the foolish gladly. (2 Cor. 11:16-19, NASB)
Paul then launches into a literary tirade where he claims many things to make himself look the fool, to contrast himself with those who the Corinthians were listening to for their words of salvation, instead of to him. His words were meant to compare and contrast what the Saints at Corinth were doing against what he was offering.
Do the critics dismiss the words of Paul and deny his calling as an Apostle because he used such a literary approach that included boasting? No, they do not. Yet, they dismiss Joseph Smith when it is clear by his own statements, in context, that he engaged in the exact same literary approach. Consider the words of Joseph right after reading this chapter of Paul's to the congregation:
- My object is to let you know that I am right here on the spot where I intend to stay. I, like Paul, have been in perils, and oftener than anyone in this generation. As Paul boasted, I have suffered more than Paul did, I should be like a fish out of water, if I were out of persecutions. Perhaps my brethren think it requires all this to keep me humble. The Lord has constituted me curiously that I glory in persecution. I am not nearly so humble as if I were not persecuted. If oppression will make a wise man mad, much more a fool. If they want a beardless boy to whip all the world, I will get on the top of a mountain and crow like a rooster: I shall always beat them. When facts are proved, truth and innocence will prevail at last. My enemies are no philosophers: they think that when they have my spoke under, they will keep me down; but for the fools, I will hold on and fly over them.[3]
Joseph then makes the statements that the critics attack, in the same way that Paul made outrageous "boasts" to contrast his position with the position of those who the Corinthians were starting to listen to. Paul starts the next chapter of 2 Corinthians with the statement "boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable." So, it would appear that Paul recognizes the necessity of boasting at times against the wicked and hard-hearted (though it may do little good, being unprofitable), yet the critics do not allow Joseph to follow Paul's advice and, of necessity, boast at times.
Perhaps the critics are unaware of Paul's advice? Or perhaps they apply a double standard where Paul is allowed such literary and rhetorical license, but Joseph is not?
Such double standards are, sadly, the stock-in-trade of sectarian anti-Mormonism.
In short, Joseph is using the scripture in Paul as a counter-argument (or a rhetorical device)--he is responding to his critics, and demonstrating that (as with Paul) true messengers from God are often persecuted by those who should listen, while the false and apostate are praised.
Notes
- [retour] This wiki article was originally based on a personal message from Daniel C. Peterson. It has since been subject to editing and additions because of the nature of a wiki project.
- [retour] For those who want a better handle on Joseph Smith's true character, a good resource is Mark L. McConkie, Remembering Joseph: Personal Recollections of Those Who Knew the Prophet Joseph Smith (Salt Lake City, UT: Deseret Book Company, 2003) (print version). ISBN 978-1570089633. (subscript. required) GospeLink
- [retour] Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 volumes, edited by Brigham H. Roberts, (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1957), 6:408. BYU Studies link
Lectures complémentaires
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Les Prophéties d'Autri et Après Joseph Smith
- Joseph Smith, Père.
- Oliver Cowdery
- Orson Hyde: sa bénédiction lors de son ordination [Pas encore traduit]
- Orson Hyde: sa bénédiction changée dans «L'Histoire de l'Église»? [Pas encore traduit]
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- William Smith restera sur la terre jusqu'à la venue du Christ [Pas encore traduit]
- Martin Harris
- David Whitmer
- La Révélation après Joseph Smith [Pas encore traduit]
- Heber C. Kimball–«un chien jaune mort» [Pas encore traduit]
- John Taylor–révélation de 1886 [Pas encore traduit]
- Joseph F. Smith parle de révélation lors des audiences Smoot [Pas encore traduit]
- Les mythes de Missouri? [Pas encore traduit]
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- D'autres questions et critiques
- Les prophétes SDJ ne prophétisent pas? [Pas encore traduit]
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| La Première Vision: les articles FAIR wiki |
Overview
- page de résumé [Pas encore traduit]
Événements qui ont précédé la Première Vision
- Les réunions du camp méthodistes en 1820 [Pas encore traduit]
- «Inclination» vers le sect méthodiste
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- Lieu de résidence en 1820 [Pas encore traduit]
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- Sa compréhension de Dieu au début? [Pas encore traduit]
- Pas de nouvelle dispensation? [Pas encore traduit]
- Age different? [Pas encore traduit]
- Motivation differente? [Pas encore traduit]
- Pas de persecution? [Pas encore traduit]
- Pas de réveils religieux? [Pas encore traduit]
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- Les méchants détruits? [Pas encore traduit]
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- On ne peut pas voir Dieu sans la prêtrise? [Pas encore traduit]
Après la Première Vision:
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- Pas de publication hors de l'Église avant 1843? [Pas encore traduit]
- 1830: Joseph a vu «Dieu» [Pas encore traduit]
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- Lucy se laissait convertir à la foi presbytérienne? [Pas encore traduit]
- Joseph se laissait convertir à d'autres églises? [Pas encore traduit]
- Toutes les églises étaient dans l'erreur? [Pas encore traduit]
- Fabriqués à renforcer son autorité? [Pas encore traduit]
- Details added over time? [Pas encore traduit]
- Le récit a été crée en raison d'une crise de leadership? [Pas encore traduit]
Les versions d'autrui:
- George Q. Cannon [Pas encore traduit]
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- Orson Hyde [Pas encore traduit]
- Andrew Jenson [Pas encore traduit]
- Heber C. Kimball| [Pas encore traduit]
- Orson Pratt [Pas encore traduit]
- George A. Smith [Pas encore traduit]
- Lucy Mack Smith [Pas encore traduit]
- Orson Spencer [Pas encore traduit]
- John Taylor [Pas encore traduit]
- Brigham Young n'a jamais parlé de la 1ère Vision? [Pas encore traduit]
- Brigham a parlé d'un ange, et pas de Dieu? [Pas encore traduit]
- Le récit est rarement publié avant 1877? (court) [Pas encore traduit]
- Le récit est rarement publié avant 1877? (longue) [Pas encore traduit]
D'autres critiques:
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- Dieu le Père: un ésprit ou incarné? [Pas encore traduit]
- Les personnes que Joseph a vues [Pas encore traduit]
| Joseph Smith et d'autres visions: les articles FAIR wiki |
La visite de Moroni:
- La visite de Moroni (page de résumé) [Pas encore traduit]
- Néphi ou Moroni en 1823? [Pas encore traduit]
- Un «ésprit» a visité en 1827? [Pas encore traduit]
- Moroni: «un ange de Satan»? [Pas encore traduit]
- Joseph Smith: sa compréhension de Dieu au début? [Pas encore traduit]
- Les personnes que Joseph a vues en vision [Pas encore traduit]
- Swedenborg et les trois dégrès de gloire [besoin de travail] [Pas encore traduit]
| Dieu: les articles FAIR wiki |
- Dieu le Père: un ésprit ou incarné? [Pas encore traduit]
- Dieu incarné [Pas encore traduit]
- Creatio ex nihilo / La création à partir de rien [Pas encore traduit]
- La création en Colossiens1:16 [Pas encore traduit]
- La création des ésprits [Pas encore traduit]
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- La prescience de Dieu [Pas encore traduit]
- «Dieu est un ésprit» [Pas encore traduit]
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- Mère Céleste? [Pas encore traduit]
- Une régression à l'infini des dieux? [Pas encore traduit]
- Kolob [Pas encore traduit]
- «Hors moi il n'y a point de Dieu» - (y compris Ésaïe 43-46) [Pas encore traduit]
- «Personne n'a jamais vu Dieu» [Pas encore traduit]
- Polythéisme - Les mormons sont des polythéistes? [Pas encore traduit]
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- Dieu ne change pas [Pas encore traduit]
FAIR en ligne
| Joseph Smith les articles FAIR en ligne |
| Joseph Smith other visionary issues FAIR links |
- Craig Ray, "Joseph Smith's History Confirmed," (Mesa, Arizona: FAIR, August 2002) FAIR link
D'autres sources en lignes
| Joseph Smith, Jr. les articles en ligne |
- Richard Lloyd Anderson, "Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reappraised," Brigham Young University Studies 10:3 (1970): 285. (subscript. required) GL direct link
- Richard Lloyd Anderson, "Review of Joseph Smith's New York Reputation Reexamined by Rodger I. Anderson," FARMS Review of Books 3/1 (1991): 52–80. off-site
- Richard Lloyd Anderson, "The Reliability of the Early History of Lucy and Joseph Smith," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 4:2 (Summer 1969): 16, 19.
- Leonard J. Arrington, "The Human Qualities of Joseph Smith, the Prophet," Ensign (January 1971): 35ff. off-site
- Richard L. Bushman, "Joseph Smith Miscellany," (Mesa, Arizona: FAIR, 2005 FAIR Conference). FAIR link
- Richard L. Bushman, Dean C. Jessee and Truman G. Madsen, "Smith, Joseph," Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 4 vols., edited by Daniel H. Ludlow, (New York, Macmillan Publishing, 1992), 3:1331–1348. off-site off-site off-site
- Donald L. Enders, "The Joseph Smith, Sr., Family: Farmers of the Genesee," in Joseph Smith: The Prophet, the Man, ed. Susan Easton Black and Charles D. Tate Jr. (Provo, UT: BYU Religious Studies Center, 1993), 213—25.
- Alan Goff, "Dan Vogel's Family Romance and the Book of Mormon as Smith Family Allegory (Review of: Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet)," FARMS Review 17/2 (2005): 321–400. off-site PDF link
- Alan Goff, "How Should We Then Read? Reading Mormon Scripture After the Fall, a review of Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet by Dan Vogel," FARMS Review 21/1 (2009): 137–178. off-site [No PDF link] wiki
- Andrew H. Hedges and Dawson W. Hedges, "No, Dan, That's Still Not History (Review of: Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet, by Dan Vogel)," FARMS Review 17/1 (2005): 205–222. off-site PDF link
- Louis Midgley, "Editor's Introduction: Knowing Brother Joseph Again," FARMS Review 18/1 (2006): xi–lxxiv. off-site PDF link wiki
- Louis Midgley, "Two Stories—One Faith," FARMS Review 19/1 (2007): 55–79. off-site PDF link wiki
- Larry E. Morris, "Joseph Smith and "Interpretive Biography", Review of Joseph Smith: The Making of a Prophet by Dan Vogel," FARMS Review 18/1 (2006): 321–374. off-site PDF link wiki
- Daniel C. Peterson and Donald L. Enders, "Can the 1834 Affidavits Attacking the Smith Family Be Trusted?" in Pressing Forward with the Book of Mormon: The FARMS Updates of the 1990s, ed. John W. Welch and Melvin J. Thorne (Provo, UT: FARMS, 1999), 286—87.
Source(s) d'impression
| Joseph Smith, Jr. matériaux d'impression |
- Richard L. Bushman, "Joseph Smith's Family Background," in The Prophet Joseph: Essays on the Life and Mission of Joseph Smith, ed. Larry C. Porter and Susan Easton Black (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1988), 1–18. ISBN 0875791778. (subscript. required) GospeLink
- Richard L. Bushman, Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling (New York: Knopf, 2005), 1.
- Mark L. McConkie, Remembering Joseph: Personal Recollections of Those Who Knew the Prophet Joseph Smith (Salt Lake City, UT: Deseret Book Company, 2003) (print version). ISBN 978-1570089633. (subscript. required) GospeLink (Source importante)
